15 fiat currencies Cash in Pseudonymous Mail (CiPM) to Bitcoins (BTC)

[nlovric]

General

If you send me
   

• Australian dollar (AUD),
• convertible mark (BAM),
• Canadian dollar (CAD),
• Swiss franc (CHF),
• Czech koruna (CZK),
• Danish kroner (DKK),
• Euro (EUR),
• Pound sterling (GBP),
• Hungarian forint (HUF),
• kuna (HRK),
• Japanese yen (JPY),
• Norwegian krone (NOK),
• złoty (PLN),
• Swedish kronor (SEK), and/or
• United States dollar (USD)

bills / (bank)notes via basic or priority / air unregistered or registered mail or TisakPaket, I will send you 91% of their their 7-day average market value in Bitcoins (BTC).


Pseudonymity

Do not confuse pseudonymity with anonymity. For instance, the Anonymous do not realize they are pseudonymous and not anonymous.

You can encrypt all communication using my 2012-04-11 OpenPGP public key (4096-bit Rivest-Shamir-Adleman (RSA); 7777 B191 5933 ACF1 B998  0101 70B9 7690 C7F8 DD31), but it will take me longer to respond in that case as my semi-secure station is dead at present. For that reason, I am not accessing my Tor Mail account, so don't send anything there.

If you send the fiat currency cash via unregistered mail and do not write your real name and address as the sender – in some states, it may not be illegal to use a pseudonym – you will be pseudonymous. I almost-always shred packaging upon reception.

I am very non-cooperative with the government fuckers and will give them my name and official address when asked. That's the approximate extent of my cooperation.


Ordering and feedback

The exchange will go as follows:

• Send me a private message (PM) with the subject "Cash in Pseudonymous Mail (CiPM) to Bitcoins (BTC) order" and the following information to me:
        
  • A list of bills / (bank)notes you will send. See: Swiss franc (CHF) bills / (bank)notes, Euro (EUR) bills / (bank)notes, kuna (HRK) bills / (bank)notes, Japanese yen (JPY) bills / (bank)notes, and/or United States dollar (USD) bills / (bank)notes. Don't order rare ones because I will then refuse the order. The more bills you order in a single shipment, the higher the chance of shipment theft. Example:
                
    • 4 × 100 Swiss franc (CHF) bill / (bank)note
    • 2 × 20 Swiss franc (CHF) bill / (bank)note
             
  • A single-transaction Bitcoin address. This can be any Bitcoin address reserved for one transfer, only. See Satoshi Nakamotos' <satoshin@gmx.com> Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
     
• I will calculate the value of the offered bills / (bank)notes in Bitcoins (BTC), private message (PM) you the text of the agreement and its' 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash – in hexadecimal numerals.
• I will post a cleartext detached OpenPGP signature of the agreement text in this thread.
• You will post a cleartext detached OpenPGP signature of the agreement text or "I accept the agreement Whirlpool-512: " plus the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash – in hexadecimal numerals – of the agreement text plus " with nlovric." in this thread.
• You will ship the offered fiat currency cash bills / (bank)notes to the postal address – preferably via priority / air registered mail – or Tisak kiosk stated in the agreement, within the time limit stated in the agreement. Unles you video-tape the shipping – see Shipment loss liability below – you wage the right to provide negative feedback in case the shipment is partially or fully lost, stolen, confiscated, or similar.
• I will transfer the amount of Bitcoins (BTC) stated in the agreement to the single-transaction Bitcoin address stated in the agreement.
• After your receive, partially receive, or don't receive – for some time – the agreed-upon Bitcoins (BTC), you will post the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash – in hexadecimal numerals – of the agreement along with your feedback on the order in my Trust network.

Shipping delay

The shipping delay depends on Bitcoins (BTC) to 15 fiat currencies Cash in Unregistered Mail (CiUM) orders etc. This means that you will have to wait for this much longer.


No cancelation / guaranteed shipping

Once an agreement is made, neither side may cancel it, regardless of market rise or fall.


Shipment loss liability

By placing an order, you agree that I am not liable if your shipment does not reach me. You should take a continuous video of the fiat currency cash being placed into an envelope with the shipment address on it, the envelope being sealed, and the envelope being placed into a yellow collection box of Croatian Post, Inc. – or equivalent – as proof that you have shipped the order.


Disputes

Only you, I, and – hopefully only – BitcoinTalk staff will have access to the text of the agreement, but my cleartext detached OpenPGP signature of the text of the agreement and/or its' 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash – in hexadecimal numerals – will be public. Therefore – in case of a dispute – either of us can share the text of the agreement with a 3rd party, have them authenticate it by checking my cleartext detached OpenPGP signature of the text of the agreement and/or by comparing the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash – in hexadecimal numerals – of the provided text to the 512-binary-digit-(bit) Whirlpool cryptographic hash – in hexadecimal numerals – posted in this thread, and get their feedback.

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[buyer]

Oh, so you are in a terrorist state?

In fact, yes.

Sorry dude, I'm an American.  Fuck you and your terrorist friends.


ANYONE DEALING WITH THE OP IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM!









This is a HIGHLY RISKY proposition for the sender of the cash who cannot insure it's arrival by any known means.  Video taped packages do not have any legal standing.  

If you send the OP money and he says he didn't receive it you are F'D.

[nlovric]

This is a HIGHLY RISKY proposition for the sender of the cash who cannot insure it's arrival by any known means.  Video taped packages do not have any legal standing.  

If you send the OP money and he says he didn't receive it you are F'D.

buyer runs similar services and is posting scam accusations in all competing service offer threads.

[buyer]

This is a HIGHLY RISKY proposition for the sender of the cash who cannot insure it's arrival by any known means.  Video taped packages do not have any legal standing.  

If you send the OP money and he says he didn't receive it you are F'D.

buyer runs similar services and is posting scam accusations in all competing service offer threads.

Nice attempt to evade the argument.  Why did you not answer the charge that you are running a risky service for the buyer?  There is no secret that I built (but do not own) a btc to gift card service.  And it is registered and law abiding.  Don't you wish you could say the same?

[grue]

This is a HIGHLY RISKY proposition for the sender of the cash who cannot insure it's arrival by any known means.  Video taped packages do not have any legal standing. 

If you send the OP money and he says he didn't receive it you are F'D.

buyer runs similar services and is posting scam accusations in all competing service offer threads.

ad hominem.

[nlovric]

Nice attempt to evade the argument.  Why did you not answer the charge that you are running a risky service for the buyer?  There is no secret that I built (but do not own) a btc to gift card service.  And it is registered and law abiding.  Don't you wish you could say the same?

Of course it is risky, much like the services which you run yourself. Seeing as how you're posting scam accusations in all competing threads, I would say that your services might be a true risk for the buyer and that not being due to e.g. shipment loss or theft by postal workers as your current bahaviour is a scam in itself and customer manipulation.

[buyer]

So you need two threads to scam?  And you want me to post the same reponse in each one, ok.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234346.msg2475654#msg2475654

Of course it is risky, much like the services which you run yourself. Seeing as how you're posting scam accusations in all competing threads, I would say that your services might be a true risk for the buyer and that not being due to e.g. shipment loss or theft by postal workers as your current bahaviour is a scam in itself.

Comparing my service to your unregistered and criminal attracting money laundering "cash in the mail" offering is not fair.  We are registered and do not break the law.

I only post when people come to scam, as you obviously have.  Your ad hominum attacks against me are transparent to the users who see you trying to scam them.

[nlovric]

So you need two threads to scam?  And you want me to post the same reponse in each one, ok.

Now it is plainly obvious that you're a scammer and an extortionist as it is you who have stated posting in both of my threads.

Comparing my service to your unregistered and criminal attracting money laundering "cash in the mail" offering is not fair.  We are registered and do not break the law.

I only post when people come to scam, as you obviously have.  Your ad hominum attacks against me are transparent to the users who see you trying to scam them.

You are a sponsor of totalitarianism and not a libertarian. For instance, the law once said that Jews must be gassed with Zyklon B. I would disobey and you are law abiding. Additionally, I cannot register a business even if I wanted to as I am under a full government blockade following an international lawsuit against the state. However, I have no intention of sponsoring unlawful police attacks and beatings of me – and others as well, for that matter – by paying them tax.

The users will decide for themselves who is the real scammer plus who stands for what.

[buyer]

My last question to your non-answers was "What terrorist state do you live in?"

[buyer]

Oh, so you are in a terrorist state?

In fact, yes.

Sorry dude, I'm an American.  Fuck you and your terrorist friends.


ANYONE DEALING WITH THE OP IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM!

[nlovric]

Oh, so you are in a terrorist state?

In fact, yes.

Sorry dude, I'm an American.  Fuck you and your terrorist friends.


ANYONE DEALING WITH THE OP IS SUPPORTING TERRORISM!

Interesting how you selectively quote select parts of another thread to make readers percieve the approximate opposite of what was posted. I think that – at this point – unemotional psychopathic posting has beed clearly identified.

My last question to your non-answers was "What terrorist state do you live in?"

I live in the Republic of Croatia and somehow – as you keep advertizing that you're an American for your own benefit – I suspect that you may actually be a non-American. "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." True Americans are the people fighting the American government and the American police on the streets of America so that their children may enjoy the same freedoms as they have. True Americans are not the ones sucking up to the government or the police.

[buyer]

True Americans are the people fighting the American government and the American police on the streets of America so that their children may enjoy the same freedoms as they have. True Americans are not the ones sucking up to the government or the police.

Dude as a foreigner you OBVIOUSLY have no idea what an American is.  I was born and raised in America. I am now a productive adult with children who are also Americans.  And like all my neighbors we follow the laws we think we should.  America's history includes horrors and bright stars.  America is a group of people living in a location who all agree to be governed by the government we elect.  Keep your terrorist notions at home in your terrorist state.


And if you want to deal with Americans you should probably register with FinCEN at the Department of Treasury at the very least.  But none of this lends any credibility to your offer of "sending cash from croatia" or "sending cash to croatia".

(FWIW Croatia is not listed as a terrorist country by the CIA.)

[grue]

So you need two threads to scam?  And you want me to post the same reponse in each one, ok.

Now it is plainly obvious that you're a scammer and an extortionist as it is you who have stated posting in both of my threads.

You clearly do not know what "scammer" and "extortionist" means.

scammer = fail to uphold his side of the agreement
extortionist = obtaining money through coercion

So tell me, how exactly did buyer do any of the two things?

[nlovric]

Dude as a foreigner you OBVIOUSLY have no idea what an American is.  I was born and raised in America. I am now a productive adult with children who are also Americans.  And like all my neighbors we follow the laws we think we should.  America's history includes horrors and bright stars.  America is a group of people living in a location who all agree to be governed by the government we elect.  Keep your terrorist notions at home in your terrorist state.


And if you want to deal with Americans you should probably register with FinCEN at the Department of Treasury at the very least.  But none of this lends any credibility to your offer of "sending cash from croatia" or "sending cash to croatia".

(FWIW Croatia is not listed as a terrorist country by the CIA.)

You're bragging how you're a productive extortionist. Also, this bragging of Americanity only brings to my mind the picture of the dozen children killed in a North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) airstrike in Afghanistan just a few days prior to the Boston bombings. Will those kids also be able to be productive Afghanis one day with children who are also Afghanis? Of course, your media carefully censored that news item so that those two Islamists seem like they were attacking and not counter-attacking.

Also, you should look up terror in the dictionary. Is Syria a terrorist or non-terrorist state when it attacks its' own people and not the United States of America (USA)? According to your line of thinking, terrorism is an act against the United States of America (USA); terror over citizens of any other nation not terrorism. Any state which terrorizes any people – of other nations or its' own – is a terrorist state. Terrorism exists irrespective of the statements of the United States of Americas' (USAs') Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). For instance, the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were terrorist attacks meant to kill as many Japanese people as possible to demonstrate the power of your new weapon, terrorize the people of Japan, and make Japan surrender.

Does your pretty little Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) World "Factbook" say anything negative about the United States of America (USA)? Does it mention the use of chemical weapons on the Viet Cong? Does it say anything negative on the members states of the UKUSA Agreement? How about North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) member states? The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) World "Factbook" is propaganda material. In the 1990-es, it stated that the strongest party in the Republic of Croatia is Hrvatska stranka prava (HSP) – the Croatian Party of Rights – because Dobroslav Paraga – its' president – was an operative of one of United States of Americas' (USAs') intelligence agencies. This same party had something like 5% in parliament. ROFL

[nlovric]

You clearly do not know what "scammer" and "extortionist" means.

scammer = fail to uphold his side of the agreement
extortionist = obtaining money through coercion

So tell me, how exactly did buyer do any of the two things?

buyer may be a scammer.

buyer is most certainly an extortionist as they are coercing customers to go their way by posting scam intention accusations and/or pointing out the risk for customers in the same types of services that they are running themselves etc. in all competition threads. Also, I see they make accusing posts and then lock them so that the accused user cannot reply.

[buyer]

FUD.  Buyer is not a scammer and has never been accused of being a scammer by anyone other than a known scammer. 

buyer is not an extortionist, you are delusional.  Perhaps you think everyone is an extortionist because that's the way things work in croatia?  In the FREE WORLD people are free to speak their mind with no fear of repercussion.  In this case I chose to tell the world that sending money to croatia in an uninsurable package is asinine. As is agreeing to recieve money that will likely never arrive.

This has NOTHING to do with the service the site I desiged offers.  As I have said my site does not do cash by mail and anyone doing so is an idiot.  You are, as we often see in this board, attacking the messanger because that's all you've got. 

Welcome to the free world my communist friend.

[grue]

buyer may be a scammer.

Now it is plainly obvious that you're a scammer

hey wait a minute. You just said before that he was obviously a scammer. Now you're saying he "may be" a scammer? Nice backtracking, bro.

buyer is most certainly an extortionist as they are coercing customers to go their way by posting scam intention accusations and/or pointing out the risk for customers in the same types of services that they are running themselves etc. in all competition threads. Also, I see they make accusing posts and then lock them so that the accused user cannot reply.

But it's only extortion if he's using coercion to extract money. If he's not asking for money, it's not coercion.

You clearly don't understand what the words you're using means. Your english skills are clearly lacking, either get better at english or don't use words you don't understand. At best you're making a fool of yourself, at worse you're being defamatory.

[JohnSy]

Trade for fastcoin???

[nlovric]

FUD.  Buyer is not a scammer and has never been accused of being a scammer by anyone other than a known scammer. 

buyer is not an extortionist, you are delusional.  Perhaps you think everyone is an extortionist because that's the way things work in croatia?  In the FREE WORLD people are free to speak their mind with no fear of repercussion.  In this case I chose to tell the world that sending money to croatia in an uninsurable package is asinine. As is agreeing to recieve money that will likely never arrive.

You keep attacking all / any competition in this forum with scam, no safety etc. accusations / proclamations. You have just stated that I am a known scammer – as I have accused you of being an obvious / likely scammer and that I am a scammer as you say the Cash in Unregistered Mail (CiUM) will likely never arrive.

This has NOTHING to do with the service the site I desiged offers.  As I have said my site does not do cash by mail and anyone doing so is an idiot.  You are, as we often see in this board, attacking the messanger because that's all you've got.

Your site sells something reversible by yourself, personally. Your customers may get it, give you a good rating, and then you can e.g. lock the thread – as you have done already in this board – and reverse the sale – e.g. sell the code to someone else or use it yourself – and claim that it is they who compromised the information of the reversible item.

The cash I send to the customers is irreversible – well, at least by me; the issuing state will – usually – withdraw the bill in question after a while – years of dozens of years.

Welcome to the free world my communist friend.

What? How did you know that I swore – most likely – the following oath at the age of 8 along with all of my elementary school mates:

Danas, kada postajem pionir,
Dajem časnu pionirsku riječ:
Da ću marljivo učiti i raditi i biti dobar drug;
Da ću voljeti našu samoupravnu domovinu Socijalističku Federativnu Republiku Jugoslaviju;
Da ću razvijati bratstvo i jedinstvo i ideje za koje se borio Tito;
Da ću cijeniti sve ljude svijeta koji žele slobodu i mir!

– translation:

Today, when I become a Pioneer,
I give my solomn Pioneer word:
That I will study hard and work and be a good comrad;
That I will love our self-governing homeland, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia;
That I will develop brothership and unity and the ideas for which Tito fought;
That I will respect all people of the world who desire freedom and peace!

?

We even got Pioneer uniforms and Pioneer hats with the Red Star in the front. I think my Pioneer Red Book is somewhere in the flat now owned by my mother.

Yes, I must fight buyer – the capitalist enemy!

[nlovric]

buyer may be a scammer.

Now it is plainly obvious that you're a scammer

hey wait a minute. You just said before that he was obviously a scammer. Now you're saying he "may be" a scammer? Nice backtracking, bro.

I strive to be as factual as possible. If I were to repeat "obviously" when I have realized that he only fits the scammer behavious but this has not yet been confirmed, I would be a liar. Therefore, I have written "may" after realizing a lack of confirmation. However, everything points towards an incoming large-scale scam at some point – most likely after they draw many customers onto their service. This will – most likely – be either scamming of select customers who are unable to retaliate or a sudden closing of the service without refund.

buyer is most certainly an extortionist as they are coercing customers to go their way by posting scam intention accusations and/or pointing out the risk for customers in the same types of services that they are running themselves etc. in all competition threads. Also, I see they make accusing posts and then lock them so that the accused user cannot reply.

But it's only extortion if he's using coercion to extract money. If he's not asking for money, it's not coercion.

You clearly don't understand what the words you're using means. Your english skills are clearly lacking, either get better at english or don't use words you don't understand. At best you're making a fool of yourself, at worse you're being defamatory.

I do know that what he is doing is not direct extortion; however, it is coersion of customers into going their way and not providing negative feedback if / when scammed or simply provided with poor service, and an unstated threat of attacking them also if they do not go their way – I would say that they are an indirect extortionist.